1 00:00:06,650 --> 00:00:10,320 So what is the difference between InDesign and say, 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,720 Quark, Photoshop, Illustrator, Pagemaker, 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,960 Framemaker, these all other programs out there, 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,810 and let's quickly talk about where they all sit. 5 00:00:18,810 --> 00:00:22,340 So intensive InDesign, it has some direct competitors. 6 00:00:22,335 --> 00:00:24,395 One would be Microsoft Word, 7 00:00:24,390 --> 00:00:26,650 which is the more of an amateur program. 8 00:00:26,650 --> 00:00:28,950 You're not going to get a design job with it, 9 00:00:28,950 --> 00:00:30,930 and it has quite a lot of limitations. 10 00:00:30,930 --> 00:00:32,310 You can do some nice stuff on word, 11 00:00:32,310 --> 00:00:36,710 but really that's the entry level program and then you move into InDesign. 12 00:00:36,705 --> 00:00:38,925 Now, other competitors to InDesign, 13 00:00:38,925 --> 00:00:42,105 the main one would be QuarkXpress. 14 00:00:42,105 --> 00:00:46,135 Now, when I was doing my degree as a graphic designer, 15 00:00:46,130 --> 00:00:47,940 I [inaudible] on Quark. 16 00:00:47,935 --> 00:00:52,705 Now, as soon as I left my degree to get my first job, 17 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:57,380 InDesign got launched and all of those tools. 18 00:00:57,380 --> 00:01:00,050 I started actually teaching Quark way back when, 19 00:01:00,050 --> 00:01:04,740 and it slowly but surely died a death. 20 00:01:04,740 --> 00:01:06,740 I'm sure the people at Quark right now 21 00:01:06,740 --> 00:01:10,580 are still making versions and there are people still using it, 22 00:01:10,580 --> 00:01:11,630 but it's a very, 23 00:01:11,630 --> 00:01:13,970 very small percentage of work, 24 00:01:13,970 --> 00:01:19,010 and pretty much any new work is all done in InDesign. 25 00:01:19,010 --> 00:01:22,370 Some legacy files you stumble across occasionally had done in Quark, 26 00:01:22,370 --> 00:01:25,560 but we don't use Quark very much anymore or I don't use it at all. 27 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,040 I haven't used it for probably about 10 years, it's a long time indeed. 28 00:01:29,035 --> 00:01:31,925 Now Pagemaker was it's made by Adobe as well, 29 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,390 and you probably never going to touch it, 30 00:01:34,385 --> 00:01:37,285 it's for really big things. 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,100 Say I need to put together a scientific document 32 00:01:42,095 --> 00:01:48,115 about some medical treatment medicine that we're making, 33 00:01:48,110 --> 00:01:51,320 I might open up Pagemaker because it allows 34 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,860 many people to work on one document and update it and track it. 35 00:01:54,860 --> 00:01:57,320 If I was going to build a nuclear reactor, 36 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,270 I'd probably document how it's made and how it's being maintained via Pagemaker. 37 00:02:02,270 --> 00:02:04,090 It's a big old program. 38 00:02:04,085 --> 00:02:07,295 So not a lot of people using that one. 39 00:02:07,295 --> 00:02:09,735 Definitely not for like creative design, 40 00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:11,300 it's all about InDesign. 41 00:02:11,300 --> 00:02:14,270 Now, the other products that might go in hand in hand, 42 00:02:14,270 --> 00:02:17,510 with InDesign is the Photoshop and Illustrator. 43 00:02:17,510 --> 00:02:19,790 Generally, designers will know Photoshop, 44 00:02:19,790 --> 00:02:21,760 Illustrator and InDesign altogether. 45 00:02:21,755 --> 00:02:23,155 Now where they separate out, 46 00:02:23,150 --> 00:02:24,890 Photoshop Is a nice clear difference, 47 00:02:24,890 --> 00:02:27,360 InDesign is a layout program, 48 00:02:27,355 --> 00:02:32,335 you bring in images, bring in text and you combine them in amazing designs. 49 00:02:32,330 --> 00:02:35,450 Photoshop, you open up photographs and you manipulate them, 50 00:02:35,450 --> 00:02:37,160 make them better, change them, 51 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,490 miss with them, fix them up. 52 00:02:39,490 --> 00:02:40,730 When you're finished with them, 53 00:02:40,730 --> 00:02:42,430 you bring it into something like InDesign. 54 00:02:42,430 --> 00:02:44,420 If I was making a flyer, 55 00:02:44,420 --> 00:02:46,950 it's a one-page flyer and I start making it in Photoshop, 56 00:02:46,950 --> 00:02:51,640 I could probably get away with it and it would be fine and I could make it work, 57 00:02:51,635 --> 00:02:54,335 but that would be using Photoshop, 58 00:02:54,335 --> 00:02:55,875 what it's not meant to be used for. 59 00:02:55,870 --> 00:02:57,520 You can do basic stuff like that, 60 00:02:57,515 --> 00:02:59,425 but as soon as you have to have multiple pages, 61 00:02:59,420 --> 00:03:00,940 Photoshop just falls over. 62 00:03:00,935 --> 00:03:02,365 Can't do multiple pages, 63 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,600 you can have master pages or [inaudible] 64 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,160 and it doesn't deal with type very well because it's mainly a photo editing program. 65 00:03:09,155 --> 00:03:11,395 So that's where Photoshop gets used. 66 00:03:11,390 --> 00:03:14,930 Illustrator is the one that is reasonably close to InDesign, 67 00:03:14,930 --> 00:03:16,510 it can do a lot of the same things. 68 00:03:16,505 --> 00:03:19,555 Illustrator is mainly for people illustrating. 69 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:25,640 But what I use it for mainly in that design field is more logo work and making icons. 70 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:29,110 It;s really get all the tools structure is around doing those things. 71 00:03:29,110 --> 00:03:31,510 But if I had to do a one-page flyer, 72 00:03:31,510 --> 00:03:34,290 it would look great in Illustrator or InDesign. 73 00:03:34,290 --> 00:03:36,010 It wouldn't really matter to me. 74 00:03:36,005 --> 00:03:40,065 I'd have both programs open whichever of the one is open. 75 00:03:40,065 --> 00:03:42,475 I'm good at both of them, so it doesn't really matter. 76 00:03:42,470 --> 00:03:46,310 Where InDesign gets used if I have to start doing things, 77 00:03:46,310 --> 00:03:48,870 say it's going to be a monthly newsletter or flyer, 78 00:03:48,870 --> 00:03:53,280 then there's some tools in InDesign that may help that flow for doing monthly stuff. 79 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,720 The other thing for InDesign is multiple pages. 80 00:03:55,715 --> 00:03:56,845 Illustrator can do it, 81 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,150 you can have what's called up boards. 82 00:03:59,150 --> 00:04:05,520 But if you've got to really image heavy documents and you start getting past three, 83 00:04:05,519 --> 00:04:07,169 four or five pages, 84 00:04:07,170 --> 00:04:09,830 you'll find illustrator starts grinding to a halt. 85 00:04:09,825 --> 00:04:15,715 Get 10 or 20 pages of images and text and it's quite hard to use. 86 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:17,150 It starts struggling as a program. 87 00:04:17,150 --> 00:04:21,590 Whereas InDesign, you can have a 400 page document and fly through it and start working. 88 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:24,460 It's engineered to deal with those lots of pages. 89 00:04:24,455 --> 00:04:25,885 Same thing with InDesign. 90 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,460 You can do some basic illustrator stuff. 91 00:04:27,460 --> 00:04:29,990 There's a pin tool and you can build shapes and you 92 00:04:29,990 --> 00:04:32,720 can make icons and import them, so you can do that and then design. 93 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,970 There's a bit of a crossover between those two. 94 00:04:34,970 --> 00:04:36,570 But if you're going to separate them out. 95 00:04:36,565 --> 00:04:39,365 Illustrator's for doing things like branding and 96 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,620 logos and illustrations and InDesign is all about desktop publishing. 97 00:04:43,620 --> 00:04:46,910 Now, I hope that helps with some of the software and 98 00:04:46,910 --> 00:04:50,570 which ones you should be learning if you're completely new to this, 99 00:04:50,570 --> 00:04:53,660 you can start with InDesign and probably the next step would be Photoshop. 100 00:04:53,660 --> 00:04:57,410 Unless you want to start making your own infographics and those things, 101 00:04:57,410 --> 00:04:58,790 then you look at Illustrator. 102 00:04:58,790 --> 00:05:00,020 I've got courses on all of those. 103 00:05:00,020 --> 00:05:01,220 So if you are keen, 104 00:05:01,220 --> 00:05:03,550 go check out those ones as well. 105 00:05:03,545 --> 00:05:10,265 That'll be it for the what and where does InDesign sit and the world of design.