so hello everyone our current chapter Is 18 2
Today's topic is migration classic project to Tia portal 3
So let's start 4
We have here an example projects named as first project 5
we used one simotion CPU and one HMI 6
I'm going to 7
Close the project 8
Start the tia portal 9
we can not use version 16 because there's no option Package simotion scout 10
released with 16 11
Maybe they say it in the next like with version 17 12
So I will continue with version 15 service pack 1 13
I will send it to you the migrate project option 14
I have to answer the source path 15
So there's a list year old files that can be migrated 16
Step 7 project 17
HMI project I'm going to choose steps 7 project 18
Go to my example 19
In the folder you should select here the extension. Step7p 20
And I click open 21
So there's a checkbox include Hardware configuration 22
It's your hardware and CPU in all the project in simatic manager 23
Is recognizable by TIA portal so it's not problem 24
At this point there are some requirements and there is a good PDF 25
Prepared by Siemens 26
You can find a website and SIOS or in forums 27
Used 28
Your house 29
Because older products at siemens site 30
Before 2008 it's not possible to use with new 31
new TIA portal versions so if 32
You want to use your old Hardware you need to be careful about that 33
i will selected wwith 34
Includes Hardware configuration and the target paths 35
So let's say simatic first project 36
voncert 37
TIA 15 38
Sp1 39
So let's create them migrate button 40
TIA is creating a new project 41
And you can track the progress 42
From output window in TIA 43
so Let's see what will happen 44
You see in progress 45
Our program is really basic 46
and 47
there are Just One CPU and HMI 48
Even here we get an migration error 49
Here in info window 50
Project 51
So 52
That means 53
HMI type is not supported by the TIA 54
Because it's an old product 55
So 56
Let's open 57
That means maybe I have to use the new version of simatic message HMI or 58
And new type 59
It's convert HMI device type with right click change device type 60
I will choose 61
Mobile panel 62
Version 2 63
MP 277 latest version okay 64
HI screen is larger than older one 65
Automatically scaled by the wincc flexible 66
Save current project 67
Before you do migration you have to be sure 68
The programs are consistent and that's why 69
You have to compile before 70
Let's generate HMI data 71
Otherwise you will get an error during migration in TIA 72
compiled finish is close 73
Yes 74
This is our first attempt 75
TIA created project 76
Regeneration 77
Let's try again 78
in portal view 79
migrate projects 80
Select the source path again the same project include Hardware 81
Let's start 82
These are the old messages 83
now we will try again 84
And get the error 85
If I click the migration log 86
web-based window open in my browser so that says the same thing 87
chang HMI my device type 88
The source project reported documentation 89
Okay 90
List different version of 91
TIA PORTAL for instance 92
Version 14 93
By the way your CPU type and firmware 94
Also is important that you have to 95
Be installed required option packages for the TIA portal for instance scout tia 96
and wincc HMI advanced 97
let select Migrate project 98
Send the same project 99
Includes Hardware 100
Refer verison 14 101
I'm empty new project created by the TIA portal and is starting now 102
Try to migrate to step manager project exporting project. 103
Normally takes couple of minutes 104
and you see here a different kind of error messages 105
module in rack slot 2 cannot be migrated model is not supported 106
Other interface module same message... 107
This cannot be my create and error occurred during the migration 108
Now regrets some error messages from Simotion site 109
Then you'll see here web based message 110
Okay 111
Let's go and check my winCC flexible version 112
I will check here until reports of which type of HMI with support 113
basic panels 114
Mobile panels 115
270 series 116
And I see here 117
The MLFB number 118
with Real version 12 119
Yeah I will try with this one 120
But I think the version is different 121
Or just selected runtime 122
To compete complete to migration is another way 123
Also the reservation will be changed then you need to arrange your screens again 124
Let's save 125
first generate 126
Let's try again 127
to create project 128
Select the same project 129
include Hardware 130
New path 131
So this time I didn't closed the step 7 manager and the winccflexible 132
So I get an error 133
For that project may be opened 134
I have to close the applications 135
Okay 136
Let's try again migrate project 137
Same project include Hardware 138
Let's see what would happen this time 139
Okay 140
with verison 15 sp1 141
I got the same error message on simotions use Hardware 142
can not be migrated because some modules are really old 143
So 144
First of all 145
i will go 146
Hardware and replace the old modules or delete 147
That means TIA 148
Don't recognize my hardware and models 149
so Let's try this one 150
Yes 151
There are some radical changes with TIA version 13 by the way 152
It's like a milestone siemens TIA world if you want to migrate all the projects 153
for instance from version 154
from version 11 155
to version 14 it's not possible to do that directly with version 14 156
You have to use first version 13 migrate from version 11 to 13 157
So after that as second step you are able to go one step up and migrate 158
Take your project to version 14 or version 15 whatever you want 159
So keep in that one's right now I'm working is simatic manager do hardware config 160
i have deleted my old modules 161
and let's save and compile again 162
So I will try again with Tia portal 163
In that case 164
Eventually at the end I think we will find out that 165
our HMI 166
MP277 HMI is possible to migrate with version 14 167
It's not possible to migrate with version 15 Service Pack 1 168
we will see that 169
at This chapter 170
In the next couple of minutes I hope so 171
now i close the net Pro and hardware config that's why I have to wait a couple of minutes right 172
because I can't control my mouse and cursor are here 173
now first 174
Let's try with 175
TIA portal 176
15 with flexible pc runtime and let's see 177
What will happen in this time. 178
And after that I will 179
Replace the HMI back to 180
MP series 181
Try again with version 14 182
Let's see the difference between versions 183
so It takes couple of minutes unfortunately I have to wait 184
So now I'm ready 185
Let's try version 15 186
Migrate project it's a little annoying but sometimes you just can't 187
Do anything about that so you have to find another solution or another possibility 188
You have to look from another point of view to solve your 189
Problem 190
Sometimes it's not logical 191
What's your game experience time my time 192
Let's see... 193
Remaining time in seconds 194
Creating target project 195
I think we're passed this time 196
TIA creating are objects in new project 197
When you are working with solid state drives 198
it is Really faster than 199
Conventional hard drives 200
Now I'm working 201
Together 202
so Sometimes 203
it Takes longer time than usual 204
If you have a bigger SSD drive like 1 gigabytes 205
You have 206
a lot of space 207
And as faster program to work 208
And migration project completed with warnings here the warnings of the migration scout must be compiled 209
In this way and Alignment is performed on telegrams sync operation 210
and so on... 211
So that means you have to download your 212
TIA Scout project against Hardware 213
Let's see 214
And you can see here or HMI runtime with screen 1 215
Is our design HMI screen one 216
You see here simotion scout 217
When I open device and networks on tia portal 218
I already installed scout tia 219
So I'm able to work with 220
New version of CPUs 221
Hardware looks like this 222
so Similar menus but different design 223
You will learn something new 224
During same thing 225
Yeah here in simotion tags when we click to show all 226
here normally all of the axes we didn't compiled so 227
First we have to compile or simotion 228
And in TIA portal you're compiling the hardware sides of the simotion 229
If you double click motion configuration 230
simotion with TIA option with opens 231
new window It's my 232
Desktop screen 233
Or it's monitor 234
It's really similar to simotion scout classic 235
But there are some differences it menus 236
Pros and cons 237
Maybe we will examine next chapters 238
Compare the differences advantages disadvantages 239
So far 240
Looks like similar 241
Let's save and compile our CPU 242
Okay 243
Working a little bit slower than the classic scout 244
At the background 245
You will see here window 246
now i Get the related data system variables MCC unit global 247
Device variables this here 248
So 249
Let's change our device back to 250
HMI 251
I'm going to use mobile HMI 10 inches 252
with this version 253
Let's say okay 254
Save projects 255
from compile HMI 256
You see here the current progress is still compiling 257
I'm you get some error messages as invalid symbols 258
so PLC tag 259
is Undefined 260
Please check the connection 261
Right now we don't have any connection 262
Between HMI and CPU 263
so you have to make a connection 264
Let's say service ports 265
and correct subnet mask 266
For HMI connection 267
You see here simotion Port this one 268
Let's see details looks like fine 269
I will replace the old connection here 270
Delete 271
So this is the current 272
Connection list check the tags 273
Show all tags 274
The connection was is incorrect HMI Connection 275
Yes you take is still in red color that means no 276
Interconnection and I have to rewire or synchronize the PLC tag list 277
During a project that are some options to do sync PLC tags with Wincc 278
I said your paths of PLC tags match and desselect 279
the checkBox and click synchronize 280
Unfortunately couldn't do that because there are some addresses 281
here but symbols are missing 282
So let's try with the type and absolute address match 283
And synchronize 284
Because at this case I have here some absolute addresses 285
now I'm able to connect to tags 286
PLC TAGS list is updated 287
So let's compile HMI 288
And try again 289
error Message related Administration password default password is 290
Hundred 291
for siemens hmis ok 292
on hmi side 293
Is consistent and ready I will check 294
scout tia side with simosim 295
Yes 296
It looks like a similar to Classic Scout but attention please right now working with tia 297
I hit the connect the target system 298
So I'm connected to simulation I'm going to download and follow the same steps 299
At the beginning of this chapter 300
So let's take 301
A few seconds to download project is resetting the project target system 302
Software power on 303
Start up again 304
Technology packages will be loaded for 305
The first time 306
Sources has been changed and project downloaded I will set remote again 307
Now I switch back to TAI portal HMI side I will click again the starts with a simulation 308
And if you're lucky you will get 309
Your connection running 310
Let's check our buttons is working well 311
Our communication established 312
so That's it 313
Let's close the runtime 314
Let's close simotion scout tia and some simosim 315
So if you want to close your project 316
On TIA site 317
There's a warning because your scout tia 318
is open so Please close 319
First you have to close your scout tia window 320
so Let's go back and 321
Open the manager and consist of winccflexible 322
And change the HMI type here 323
So migration to TIA Portal starting 324
I will select it again 325
change device type and start to old one 326
With this okay 327
restarted generated and to be sure 328
That everything is consistent with is finished I will close 329
so Let's try with version 14 to do the migration 330
I'm selected the project is same project and include the hardware 331
Let's see what will happen in this case 332
So I get an error 333
You see here the module is new version is not supported 334
Okay 335
Let's replace the CPU type with old firmware version 336
I will go on Hardware 337
And right click 338
On the rail let's say replace the object with same type of CPU 339
D425-2 340
Two different kind of CPU allow with profibus model or profinet 341
unfortunately it's possible to go One Step Up 342
at this case 343
There is no way to do a go back one step 344
So 345
You see here on the available CPUs 346
Another way to do that 347
you can export 348
Your variables and Tos as examine XML 349
External file that creates your see-through again 350
Import your exported data 351
to new older firmware version CPU 352
after that 353
You are able to continue with your old system and migrate to TIA portal 354
It's good example 355
For you at this case 356
Of course there are always some minor things or untold trues 357
Between versions 358
Each updates in software that are some new features are so that our some bugs 359
Comes together 360
If you're using the product 361
day by day with new project you gain More experienced so 362
At this point 363
I want to show you and pdf file on website 364
here in SIOS 365
And I go see my support sites at answer here my favorite for Searching 366
Also that I get the compatibility list of software products in Simotion 367
environments 368
For different versions 369
And 370
it is A good thing to 371
Be sure if my scout is comfortable 372
with windows 373
And if you wonder if it's possible to install for example version 374
5.3 to Windows 7 375
You'll see here 376
By the way they are different 2 different setups Scout Standalone and Scout classic 377
Let's say if you are using simatic manager and it's already installed 378
Your PC you're going to use the Scout option package DVDs 379
Install Simotion 380
On the other hand if you are not using simatic manager 381
You can install Scout stand-alone on your windows so 382
let see in chapter 1 383
Compatibility between 384
Scout and windows 385
So... 386
for version 5.3 Service Pack 1 is it possible to install Windows 7 387
professional 388
Service Pack 1 389
Only 64 bit processor and 390
You know operating system 391
Is also possible to install Windows 10 Enterprise 392
If you're searching for compatibility between different kind of softwares 393
For different option packages here you will find 394
Requirements and information 395
Between CFC and DCC also there's some issues 396
If you are using 397
The CFC 7.0 398
PCS7 for instance 399
You are able to use DCC For simotion version 400
2.0 Service Pack 1 at this case 401
Another good way to use 402
Virtual machines on the same PC to prevent 403
To use incompatible 404
versions because there are a lot of Siemens products and options 405
If you are using both simatic products simotion products and sinumerik products 406
sometimes is not possible to install all of them in one piece and one harddrive so 407
That case you have to find the solution 408
I think the virtual environment is one of them 409
And you see here simotion kernel 410
with Cf carts 411
here the MLFB code of cf cards 412
You don't have to keeping all of them in your mind 413
but you are 414
Already know how do you find 415
Information 416
about User memory controller based place for drive based platform 417
here with new firmware version 418
Sometimes you get more retentive user variable or 419
More 420
User memory 421
with devices 422
There are also some information regarding to compact flash cards 423
and compatibilities 424
you will see here 425
simotion scout and tia portal and device proxy 426
possible connections with HMI 427
For instance with 428
HMI version 11 429
It's not possible to communicate simotion 430
So it's a strange thing 431
When did comfort and basic HMI panels first released unfortunately 432
we were not able to use Siemens HMI products with simotion 433
It's like a joke 434
By the way 435
It's really a strange thing for us 436
But after the version 12 birth of the TIA portal unreleased 437
we were able to use 438
Siemens HMI products siemens simotion plc older days using winccflexible 439
For many years it's a stable program now 440
Each year and new version of TIA portal release and we have to keep moving 441
but 442
At the meantime you have to be careful about that's durng 443
Project development 444
And that's what I mean by I said you're getting some experience 445
So 446
That's all for now 447
I'm closing my windows 448
And manager 449
and TIA portal 450
so lets see you at Next chapters. Chaou.